Eric Karros Brings the Crazy
August 29, 2009 at 4:53 pm | Posted in Eric Karros, Juan Pierre sucks | 12 Comments
You may have seen my earlier post laughing at the FOX jokers, Eric Karros and Thom Brennaman. Rather than adding this as an update to that where it might get lost, what Karros and his crazy hair just said deserves its own post – because it’s just that ludicrous. Thanks to Vin and his quick DVRing, Karros goes off the deep end, in regards to what the Dodgers should do with Juan Pierre after the season.
“From a selfish standpoint, you keep him because he’s arguably been the most valuable player…
Well, with Manny being gone, that’s when a lot of teams felt that’s
when they could catch the Dodgers, make their push. During that period,
not only did he fill the void of Manny being gone, playing left field,
but he also filled the void at the top of the lineup, Furcal, because
he wasn’t playing well, created. So he goes to the top of the lineup,
he bunts, he gets over, he does things to ignite the offense. Dodgers
didn’t have another player who was capable of doing that and they could
have really fallen to the pack during that period.”
Just in case you glossed over that, let me reiterate in fancy bold capitalized letters. ERIC KARROS THINKS JUAN PIERRE HAS (ARGUABLY) BEEN THE MOST VALUABLE PLAYER IN LA. No, not Matt Kemp, who’s almost already the best center fielder in baseball. Not Andre Ethier, who’s going to end up with a 30 homer/100 RBI breakout season. Not Randy Wolf, who’s started more games than anyone in baseball, has held the rotation together and been dazzling lately while doing it. Not Jonathan Broxton, leading all of baseball in strikeouts by a reliever. Not Clayton Kershaw, who spent two months being arguably the best pitcher in baseball.
No,
according to Eric Karros, the most valuable player for the Dodgers this
year is a bench player who had an incredibly well-timed two week hot
streak, before spending the next three weeks sucking horribly. You
think that it was because of Pierre that the Dodgers didn’t fall back
to the pack? How about Casey Blake, who was unbelievably hot
while Manny was gone? And Eric, if Pierre was so important, how come
they only went 16-14 in the 30 games of Manny’s suspension that JP was
awful for? It’s because he was destroying the offense hitting leadoff every day.
I
know that we make fun of guys like Plaschke all the time, but the level
of complete ignorance displayed here is insane. You wonder why we bag
on Pierre all the time? It’s not because he’s not a good player,
because we knew exactly what we were getting when he was signed. It’s
because jokers like this act as though a powerless, OBP-challenged,
weak-armed speedster is the second coming of Babe Ruth’s lovechild with
Ghandi.
Eric – GET A CLUE.
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Karros is just trying to be nice to Juan Pierre for some unknown reason, but he knows Kemp is the Dodgers best player. I am a fan of Karros, who usually provides the best analysis of any of the national broadcasters, although that isn’t saying much. So let this one go. There are allot of Pierre fans I guess due to his his work ethic, and they try and paint a positive picture of his contributions, they are wrong, but can you blame them?
I am all for Karros taking the reins from Scully when the time comes, Eric Collins is a scary alternative.
Comment by Table— August 29, 2009 #
The other thing with Slappy is that he doesn’t even have blazing speed anymore. He’s still pretty fast, but did everyone notice that he couldn’t even beat out a slow chopper to shortstop, even when the SS had an awkward transfer from glove to hand? The old Pierre would have beaten that out by a step and a half.
Comment by The Dude Abides— August 29, 2009 #
Fox really has some horrible announcers
Comment by Damon— August 29, 2009 #
Fox really has some horrible announcers
Comment by Damon— August 29, 2009 #
Is saying he filled Manny’s void in LF really saying that much? Pretty sure the vast majority of Little Leaguers would fare just the same.
Comment by Sports Tsar— August 29, 2009 #
EK also said something about the Dodgers being where they are thanks to depth, then rattled off the names of Pierre, Castro, Loretta. Ugh.
Comment by bill— August 29, 2009 #
i would just like to randomly throw out that Kemp is the 8th best player, and the 2nd best outfield in the ML behind Zobrist according to WAR.
Just sayin’
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=n&type=6&season=2009&month=0
Comment by Daniel— August 30, 2009 #
we get it, you hate juan pierre. i love reading your site up until you inevitably start ranting about juan pierre again. sure he hit 244 during the second half of manny’s absence, but what is russell martin and rafael furcal hitting? nothing against your beliefs but we shouldnt be complaining even if he hit 244 the whole time because its probably better than any other substitute would have done. stop talking about the money problems because he pretty much always lived up to what he had always been hitting. if you have problems with how much hes getting paid, dont bag on him, talk about management. either way, as a fan, don’t worry about the money parts. just enjoy the players we have and the great season this great franchise is riding.
Comment by kush— August 30, 2009 #
“(Again, not trying to kill Pierre for anything here. Just drawing attention to public figures talking out of their asses.)”
“Again, the point here isn’t to denigrate Pierre”
of course you don’t mean to hate him. you just have a section called ‘Juan Pierre sucks’ for no reason :)
Comment by kush— August 30, 2009 #
Juan Pierre DOES suck. But as I said, I’d have made that post even if they were calling Mark Loretta or Brent Leach team MVP – Pierre isn’t the point, misinformation given by “experts” is.
Comment by Mike Scioscia's tragic illness— August 30, 2009 #
Yeah? If you had been paying attention, most of the vitriol regarding Slap on this blog has been directed at Ned Colletti. Signing Slap was a bad decision, but after that, one would think that Slap could see that his game is the problem. He doesn’t work counts, he pulls too many balls for a slap hitter and for a guy who spends so much time in the weight room, his arm strength and pop are non-existent.
The sobriquet you are talking about is three years old. It is in reference to the fact that we had to play Slap (and Luis Gonzalez) while sitting better young talent like Kemp, Ethier and Delwyn Young. Comparing Slap to those guys and sucks seems to be the nicest way to phrase Slap’s contributions.
Comment by grabarkewitz— August 30, 2009 #
Yeah? If you had been paying attention, most of the vitriol regarding Slap on this blog has been directed at Ned Colletti. Signing Slap was a bad decision, but after that, one would think that Slap could see that his game is the problem. He doesn’t work counts, he pulls too many balls for a slap hitter and for a guy who spends so much time in the weight room, his arm strength and pop are non-existent.
The sobriquet you are talking about is three years old. It is in reference to the fact that we had to play Slap (and Luis Gonzalez) while sitting better young talent like Kemp, Ethier and Delwyn Young. Comparing Slap to those guys and sucks seems to be the nicest way to phrase Slap’s contributions.
Comment by grabarkewitz— August 30, 2009 #
Karros is an announcer like he was a player. One game he is great, one game he sucks. That said, he would never be a Scully replacement for many reasons, not the least of which is the fact that he is a color commentator, not a play-by-play man. The only guy who does both well already works for the Dodgers, Rick Monday.
Anyway, Pierre doesn’t completely suck, he just isn’t as good as his contract or his teammates. Overall, he isn’t even as good as the 5th and 6th OFers (Paul and Hoffmann). He can probably start for about half the teams in baseball, not every other team like Karros claimed.
As for his speed, he is fast but has never been the fastest player in baseball. Much of his game is that he is a smart baserunner and gets great jumps. That has changed this year, as he has gotten picked off at too high a rate.
Comment by Alireza— August 31, 2009 #