The MSTI 16-Step 2010 plan
October 24, 2009 at 1:07 pm | Posted in 2010 plan!, Charlie Haeger, Chin-Lung Hu, Erik Bedard, Juan Pierre sucks, Luis Castillo, Ramon Hernandez, Troy Glaus, Xavier Paul | 43 CommentsRemember last year’s never-ending Manny saga? Well, we look to avoid that particular brand of torture this time around, but this is going to be an incredibly busy offseason for the Dodgers. From the McCourt divorce mess to the cries for an ace to the fact that only two of the starting 9 are under contract right now (Rafael Furcal & Casey Blake) to the 13 free agents and 9 arbitration-eligibles, this winter’s going to be a laugh a minute.
Oh, and it’s the worst free agent class in years. So there’s that.
With all that in mind, here’s the official MSTI Plan for 2010. Just like last year, this is what I’d do if I were GM, not what I think they will do. This is always the longest article of the year, so strap in! Also remember, when some of these end being grossly wrong, that I don’t have access to the internal neogotations – and if anything was learned from last year, what the market looks like in October is often nothing like what it does in January.
According to the most excellent Cot’s Baseball Contracts, the Opening Day payroll in 2009 was $100.4 million. That’s down from $118.5m in 2008, but much of that is simply due to how many roster spots were taken up by young players making the minimum. It remains to be seen what the impending McCourt situation will do to the payroll, but I do think they’d take a lot of heat if they dropped below $100 million. Given that they did exceed that with incentives and made some extra money off the playoff run, we’ll say $110m is the goal.
Currently, the Dodgers have $40.9m in obligations for 2010 between Hiroki Kuroda, Casey Blake, Rafael Furcal, and Juan Pierre. (Hooray! No more Jason Schmidt!). Assuming that Manny picks up his option (spoiler alert: he will) that’s $10m more due to the terms of his deferred contract ($5m of his 2009 salary, $5m of his 2010 salary). That’s $50.9m, plus about $4.6m in payments still due Andruw Jones, Nomar Garciaparra, & Orlando Hudson’s incentives. Add in another $4m or so for guys who are under team control and not yet arbitration-eligible (Clayton Kershaw, Scott Elbert, Ramon Troncoso, James McDonald, etc.) and that gets you to about $60m. Can you you fill out the team for the remaining $50m? Let’s see…
1) Start signing some young players to contracts!
This is an absolute must, and one I’ve been harping on for years now. Well, this is the year it comes back to bite you in the ass, because the core of this team is all arbitration-eligible: Chad Billingsley, Russell Martin, Matt Kemp, James Loney, Andre Ethier, George Sherrill, Hong-Chih Kuo, Jonathan Broxton, and Jason Repko.
It’s insane to think you can go year-to-year with these guys and not get killed. Besides, are we really waiting to see what Matt Kemp can do? Give the man a long-term contract. I know there’s some danger in saying that so callously, as I’d probably have said the same thing about Russell Martin two years ago, but still, Kemp has to be priority #1, with Ethier and Billingsley close behind.
Repko’s going to get cut loose, but the other 7 made approximately $13.3m this year. Guessing at what each will make in arbitration and/or long-term deals is a futile endeavor, so for now I’ll plug in the guesses made at Dodger Thoughts – that the 7 will be making $38.5m total next year after arbitration raises.
$60m + $38.5m = $98.5m
$98.5m already? This is going to be a short article.
2) Offer Orlando Hudson arbitration, expecting (and hoping) he’ll decline. Hudson’s going to be 32 in December, and after a mostly decent season, you have to figure he’s not going to pass up what might be his last chance to get a multi-year deal – in addition to any lingering bad feelings he might have over being benched in October. You might remember last year, when I wasn’t a big fan of handing over draft picks to the Diamondbacks for signing him in the first place. Well, we got an okay season out of him, so why not try to recoup the draft picks too? Even better, the worst-case scenario is that he does accept, and we can put off trying to plug the 2B hole for another year. But, he won’t.
$98.5m + $0m = $98.5m (with two picks!)
3) Offer Randy Wolf arbitration, expecting (but not hoping) he’ll decline. I think we’d all like to see Wolf back, but there’s no way he takes this offer. He’s 33, coming off the best season of his career, and might be the 2nd or 3rd best pitcher in a horrible free-agent market. You don’t think he’s going to try to get 3 years and $30+ million somewhere? Of course he is. At least we’ll pick up some draft picks.
$98.5m + $0m = $98.5m (with two more picks!)
4) Don’t offer arbitration to any other of the free agents, and don’t pick up Jon Garland’s $10m option. This includes the obvious (Schmidt, Castro, Thome, Ausmus, Milton, Loretta, Mientkiewicz, Weaver, and Mota), the less obvious but still no (Belliard), and the already-cut (Ohman). You could make a case for Belliard, I guess, but I think there’s a decent chance he accepts, which I’m not that interested in.
$98.5m + $0m = $98.5m
5) Trade Juan Pierre to the Mets for 2B Luis Castillo, assuming Hudson turned down arbitration. Okay, hear me out on this. Does anyone here think that Blake DeWitt is just going to get handed the 2B job? No way. Ivan DeJesus is a good prospect, but he missed all of 2009 with a broken leg and hasn’t yet made it past AA, so he’ll need time to get back into the swing of things. With Tony Abreu in Arizona and Orlando Hudson unlikely to accept arbitration, you’ve got a huge hole at 2B, and with the payroll situation so tight, you just can’t have a $10m backup OF in Pierre. But the only way to move him is to either eat the whole contract, which doesn’t save any money and costs us the slight value he has on the field, or to move him for an equally bad contact.
The numbers work out almost perfectly, as Pierre has $18.5m left on his deal, and Castillo has $18m. On the field, the Mets’ first year at spacious CitiField was a disaster, especially in the outfield. You know who played the most LF for the Mets last year? Gary Sheffield, and he was one of 9 left fielders who trotted out there. Plus, Carlos Beltran missed half the year in center with bad knee problems, which no one’s sure he can overcome. Their #1 leadoff hitter with Jose Reyes out? Angel Pagan. This is one situation where Pierre’s famous durability will help, because the Mets are dying for warm bodies. Since no one hits homers in that park anyway, his lack of power won’t hurt, and his speed can really help cut down on balls in the gaps.
For the Dodgers, well, I’ve never been much of a Castillo fan. At all. But if the goal is to dump Pierre’s contract, you can’t expect to get Chase Utley, right? And at least you can fill a hole in the lineup. Mets GM Omar Minaya got nearly as much flak for the 4-year deal he gave to Castillo before ’09 as Ned Colletti did for the Pierre deal, as he was 32 and coming off a dreadful (and injury-filled) 2008. However, Castillo did bounce back with a decent 2009, putting up only a 96 OPS+ but a very nice .387 OBP.
It’s not perfect. But would you rather spend $18m in the next 2 years on a lousy backup outfielder or on a mediocre starting second baseman who’d fill a need? Do it, Ned.
(Update: interesting discussion in the comments. A Mets fan believes this wouldn’t happen because it would leave a hole for the Mets at 2B… but favored commentator grabarkewitz points out that the Mets and Orlando Hudson expressed mutual interest in each other last season, and that could make sense again without Castillo around.)
$98.5m - $0 = $98.5m
6) Don’t go crazy with the idea that “you must get an ace”. I wrote a whole piece on this just the other day, so I won’t rehash the entire thing here. Just remember the take-home points: A) that there are very few – if any - ”aces” available, and B) that the Dodgers would hardly be the only team in the hunt for them. Besides, Clayton Kershaw was already a top-20 pitcher and can only be expected to improve. Remember, this doesn’t mean I don’t want an ace, just that there are limitations in the available supply of them and the Dodgers’ ability to spend prospects and money, and both Colletti and Torre are aware of that. If Roy Halladay becomes available and it doesn’t require giving up Kershaw or Chad Billingsley, then great. Otherwise, we have to live within the confines of reality.
One other thought on this; while the Dodgers may need an “ace” to win the World Series, they don’t necessarily need one to get to the playoffs. The best course of action might be to hold off until the trade deadline, see how Kershaw and Billingsley have developed, and see what teams out of the race are willing to talk then. Remember, pennants aren’t necessarily won by the winners of winter headlines.
That said, I’m not saying that there shouldn’t be any work done on the starting rotation, and there’s where we’re going with the next four steps…
$98.5m + $0m = $98.5m
7) Resign Vicente Padilla to a 1 year, $4m deal. Judging Padilla’s market value right now is nearly impossible, because I can’t think of any comparables. How do you judge a guy who was so hated in his own clubhouse that he was cut by a team in the pennant race in August, and then resurfaced with another contender to be fantastic down the stretch and dominant in 2 of 3 playoff starts?
On one hand, you’d think that a guy who pitched like he did would be in huge demand in a lousy pitching market. On the other hand, he’s 32 and has that horrible reputation. I can’t see anyone giving him a multi-year deal, and I’m maybe wearing slightly blue-tinted glasses when I read the articles that say he enjoyed his time in LA and was a model citizen, so perhaps he’d be more interested in staying with the Dodgers than wringing out every last cent.
If he stays, he’d be a nice addition to the rotation. He’s hit 200 IP three times and hasn’t had less than 115 IP since 2001. Hey, he’d hardly be the first guy to leave a small ballpark in the tougher league to come to a pitcher’s park in the NL and succeed, right?
$98.5m + $4m = $102.5m
8) Leave Chad Billingsley alone. I can’t believe this is even an issue, but the people who are on the “dump Billingsley” train are absolute fools. Yes, he was terrible in the second half of the season, I can’t deny that. But just remember the facts, here. We’re talking about a 25-year-old guy who’s shown all the signs of being a stud,who had a 2 month slump. In addition, he was fighting leg injuries for much of the time, and came back from a September trip to the bullpen to take a no-hitter into the 6th inning against Washington and then allowed just one hit into the 6th against San Diego, before getting hit in both cases.
So sure, he’s got issues to work out. Maybe it was fatigue, maybe his off-season broken leg put a cramp in his conditioning, maybe it’s mental – who knows. It’s just that the idea that a bad slump should kick him from “future ace” to “not worthy of employment” is insane.
Also, don’t forget, the two “aces” that everyone wanted to go get this summer? Cliff Lee was so bad in his age-28 season that he got sent to the minors. Roy Halladay was so bad in his 4th major league season that he got shipped back out to the minors, too. How do you think Blue Jay fans would feel if they’d given up on Doc in 2001? Exactly how we’d feel if Billingsley was moved now. Just leave the kid alone, and let him pitch. Jesus.
$102.5m + $0m = $102.5m
9) Take a chance on one of the four injured veteran pitchers trying to make a comeback – Ben Sheets, Erik Bedard, Justin Duchscherer, or Rich Harden. Just because I want to leave Billingsley be and don’t think there’s a chance to get a real “ace” doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be improvement in the rotation. But given payroll concerns and the lousy free agent market, you’re going to have to be a bit creative.
That being the case, taking a crack at one of these four – while risky – could prove to have huge rewards. All four have proven to be outstanding pitchers when healthy, and while the “when healthy” part is always an issue, that’s also going to help keep their prices down. So which one?
Well, Sheets seems like he’s going to be the highest in demand, and is already drawing interest from several teams. Since the idea is to do this on the cheap, getting into a bidding war over him isn’t a great idea. Duchscherer missed the entire season not only with an elbow injury, but with depression, and I can’t find any information on his status.
So do we like Bedard or Harden? Bedard will be 31 next year and made just 30 starts for Seattle over the last two seasons, though he did have a 3.24 ERA and strike out a man per inning. Harden, 28 next year, was healthier (26 starts last year) and struck out more (nearly 11 per 9) but his WHIP and ERA were each higher than Bedard’s. Plus, he asked to be shut down in September, before the end of the season.
It’s really all kind of a crapshoot. I suppose I’d rather the lefty than the righty, so I’ll pick Bedard. As for contract, I have no idea what’s right here. 2 years, $15m?
$102.5m + $7.5m = $110m
10) Give Charlie Haeger a chance. I’m not saying to just hand the guy a starting gig, but he does seem to be completely invisible around the Dodgers, and it’s foolish to write him off. We’ve been running a “free Charlie Haeger!” campaign around here all summer, and he’s done nothing to change that.
The guy was one of the top pitchers in AAA last year, despite being in the high-altitude deathpad of Albuquerque. Then when he came up to the bigs, he was more than adequate – 19 IP in 6 games (2 starts), allowing a WHIP of just 1.053 and an ERA of 3.32.
With all of the complaints we heard all year about how the Dodger starters weren’t going deep into games, why wouldn’t we want to see a knuckleballer who could soak up innings? Even if he’s “just” league-average, there’s still a lot of value in that. So give him a chance to crack the bullpen as a long man and spot starter, available to step in if/when someone gets hurt. Besides, don’t let the knuckleball die!
$110m + $0m = $110m
11) Sign Troy Glaus to a 1 year, $5 million deal to be a power threat off the bench. There’s a reason the Dodgers went out and got Jim Thome for the stretch run, and that’s because the main foursome on the bench (Ausmus, Loretta, Castro, Pierre) combined for a grand total of two homers all year. That’s just not acceptable. But the way this team is put together, if you need power off the bench, it has to be from the corner infield positions – you’re never hitting for Manny/Kemp/Ethier, and you can’t find power in the middle infield.
So why Glaus? Well, if you look at the list of free agent corner infielders, you see a lot of guys who either don’t fit the bill (Rich Aurillia, Geoff Blum, Mike Lamb, etc.) or guys who won’t accept a backup role (Adrian Beltre, Mark DeRosa, etc.) Glaus is 33 and coming off a season almost entirely lost to various injuries, and he hit just .172 in 14 games – so no one’s dying to give him a starting job. That said, he’s hit 20 homers or more 8 times and would fit well on a team that has a 3Bman in Casey Blake who’s not exactly a stud and a 1Bman in James Loney who’s not known for his power. Plus, he’s a Southern California native who might enjoy the chance to go home.
Even better, if he does regain his old form (he did hit 27 homers with an .856 OPS in 2008) and forces his way into the lineup, it’s hardly the worst thing in the world if he takes the 3B job for himself and pushes Blake into the 4-corners bench bat that he’s really more suited for anyway. At the least, you’d have a nice three-way time-share between Glaus, Blake, and Loney at 1st and 3rd. Anything’s better than Mark Loretta, right?
$110m + $5m = $115m
12) Realize that you have to stick with Russell Martin for lack of any other options, but sign a better backup. No one was more disappointed with Martin’s failures this year than I – as you’ll see in our positional reviews later this week – but the sad fact is, you have to stick with him in 2010. The only thing harder to get than an ace pitcher is a solid catcher, and a quick look around the list of available free agents is a study in depression. You’re not going to get one via trade either, because not every club has a good catcher and if they do, they’re not likely to give him up. So all you can really do is hope that as Martin enters his age-27 season, that his career isn’t over before it starts. Hey, wouldn’t Carlos Santana look good right about now instead of Casey Blake? Yeah, I thought so.
However, that doesn’t mean that you have to just accept the hand Martin has dealt you. While I expect that if Brad Ausmus wants to return, the Dodgers will happily take him back, I’d rather have a guy who’s able to share the load a little more with Martin should #55 completely falter again. Unfortunately, the list of available catchers is worse than I thought. Jason LaRue? Sal Fasano? No thanks.
So we’re going to do a little wishful thinking and sign former Red Ramon Hernandez to a 1 year, $1m contract. Hernandez will be 34 in 2010 and coming off a mediocre season interrupted by injury, so he’s hardly anyone’s starter next year. That said, he’s had his moments (7 double-digit homer seasons), including 15 in 2008, and while his ’09 OBP of .332 isn’t great, nor is it in the .200′s like so many of these other guys. I don’t like this move all that much, but there’s just not a lot of options here.
$115m + $1m = $116m
13) Don’t mess with the bullpen. The 2010 bullpen looks to be nearly the same as 2009′s, as the big cogs (Broxton, Sherrill, Kuo, Belisario, & Troncoso) are all under team control. On top of that, you still have Scott Elbert, James McDonald, and Charlie Haeger in the mix as long men/spot starters, Cory Wade trying to recapture the magic in AAA, and young guys like Josh Lindblom nearly ready to make an impact. It’s unreasonable to think that everyone repeats their great 2009 performances, but there’s also so much talent and depth here that it’s not worth it to go out and spend big money on an import.
$116m + $0 = $116m
14) Give Chin-Lung Hu first crack at being the backup middle infielder. I have no idea what to make of Hu anymore, following a dreadful 2006 (.660 OPS) with a superlative 2007 (.871 OPS) and decent 2008 and ’09 seasons (.708 and .725) in the minors. So he’s probably never going to hit enough to be an everyday big leaguer for a contending team. However, he is by all accounts a Gold Glove level defender. If you can put up with Juan Castro’s awfulness all season, why not upgrade the glove and take at least a chance of offensive upside with it? There’s no reason to stick Hu back in AAA yet again.
$116m + $0 = $116m
15) Give Xavier Paul first crack at being the 4th outfielder. Assuming that you have in fact dealt Juan Pierre, you’re going to need a backup outfielder. Of the many issues that bothered me about Pierre, near the top was that he didn’t fit the role very well; a 4th outfielder on this team is basically going to be a defensive caddy for Manny, and with Pierre’s horrible throwing arm, that wasn’t a great fit for him.
Paul’s going to be 25 in 2010, so if he has any future, it’s now. Not only is he known as a terrific outfielder with a strong arm, he’s got nothing left to prove in AAA (.841 OPS in 2008, .878 in 2009) and got a taste of the bigs (with a homer and a double among 3 hits in 14 at-bats) before being sidelined with a nasty leg infection. Time to see what he can do.
$116m + $0 = $116m
16) So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, goodbye… to a group of veterans that were here in 2009, but shouldn’t be in 2010 for a variety of reasons – some financial, and some performance-related. Jim Thome, Jon Garland, Ronnie Belliard, Doug Mientkiewicz, Jeff Weaver, Brad Ausmus, Guillermo Mota, Jason Repko, Mark Loretta, Juan Castro, and Will Ohman.
$116m + $0 = $116m
So after all of that, we have a roster that’s almost exactly at our budget goal. This leaves your 2010 Opening Day Dodgers as…
SP Kershaw
SP Bedard
SP Billingsley
SP Kuroda
SP Padilla
RP Broxton
RP Sherrill
RP Troncoso
RP Kuo
RP Belisario
RP Elbert
RP Haeger
SS Furcal
RF Ethier
LF Ramirez
CF Kemp
3B Blake
1B Loney
C Martin
2B Castillo
BN Hernandez
BN Glaus
BN Hu
BN Paul
With guys like DeWitt, McDonald, Lindblom, and Lucas May in the minors ready to step in as needed or be used as trade bait for an in-season deal.
Go ahead. Tear it apart, you jackals.
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i think McDonald is timed out in the minors. He was Drafted in 03.
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Comment by bluetrain — October 24, 2009 #
he’s still got options left. He’s only spent parts of 2 years in the bigs.
Comment by Mike Scioscia's tragic illness — October 25, 2009 #
I like Haeger. I think he did a good job. But I think Joe doesn’t want him
Comment by david s — October 24, 2009 #
I could be happy with that. i really like the Pierre thing because I think sending him off would benefit the team. I also agree that sending Bilz off is very stupid, and i don’t think it would happen because it seems Ned knows his potential.
Comment by Gillbert — October 24, 2009 #
Bedard or Harden is my only question. One has to hold their nose about both of them. Bedard is hardly a warrior and Harden would need to rent a pair to “nut up”. But, IMO, Harden is a smidgen more palatable than Bedard. Call it 65 coin flips, but that is what the Gods told me.
Castillo? I guess it could be worse. It could be Eckstein, Matsui or Crackhead. But, for only one year, okay?
Comment by grabarkewitz — October 24, 2009 #
Good analysis, I Love it. I just think that trading Pierre is really pie in the sky. Also, Joe will NEVER trust Haeger – no matter how much sense it makes.
Comment by Bob Mc — October 24, 2009 #
No way Mets give up Castillo for Pierre. This would leave mets with a hernandez at second and another less than talented outfielder. Omar has one more year to make the playoffs. Pierre will not take them there.
Comment by Mr Met — October 24, 2009 #
That move would open up second base for Orlando Hudson. Hudson has made it clear that he would love to play for the Mets and the only reason they did not go after him, last winter, was Castillo and his contract. No Castillo, no problems.
Comment by grabarkewitz — October 25, 2009 #
That’s a great point, Torgy. I’m adding this in to the story.
Comment by Mike Scioscia's tragic illness — October 25, 2009 #
Only problem is that this makes too much sense for it to actually happen.
Comment by gillbert — October 25, 2009 #
I agree, there’s no way the Mets give up Castillo for just Pierre. I think we’d have an easier time trying to trade them Jason Repko than dealing Pierre for Castillo, straight up. I’m also a little skeptical about getting Bedard and Ramon Hernandez on the cheap. Like you said, these guys at one time or another displayed some talent and I think other teams (desperate teams) will sense this too and take a chance on these guys as well. A guy like Bedard doesn’t just fall into your lap, we’ll need to “wow” him in a bidding war, just like the rest of these guys, especially with the free agent pitching market the way it is. And who knows? He could end up being Jason Schmidt, version 2.0.
Comment by The Fury — October 24, 2009 #
You’re probably right, this is just a lot of wishful thinking. It’s nearly impossible to guess accurate market values in October, especially without knowing the health reports and how much money each team has.
I don’t think Bedard could be Schmidt, though… $15m is a lot less than $47m.
Comment by Mike Scioscia's tragic illness — October 25, 2009 #
Why not make Blake the man off the bench instead of Glaus? Blake can actually field, he has experience at 3rd, 1st, and left in fact.
That of course would mean acquiring another 3rdbaseman. I have long been a proponent of bringing back Adrian beltre. Although he may not seem like a huge improvement over Casey Blake, there are not many ways to improve the offense, but we should still try and make it the best it can be.
I know Beltre has had health issues, but thats why we have the Blakes right?
If the Rockies non tender Garret Atkins, he would also be a possibility.
I like all the other suggestions.
Although the Dodgers should also keep their ears and eyes open concerning the availability and price of the big pieces out there (Fielder, Halladay, Gonzalez).
Comment by Table — October 25, 2009 #
I actually think this is a great idea, I just don’t know that the team would ever consider it.
Comment by Mike Scioscia's tragic illness — October 25, 2009 #
Hey, I’m not the only one on the Charlie Haeger bandwagon! I thought he did a great job for the team in some crucial starts in August, when the team was struggling. All he had was one bad inning in Cincy, which was probably just bad luck given how well he did against better teams (Cubs, Cardinals). Plus, he comes with the Innings Eater bonus.
That said, it could be very crowded in the starting rotation next year, but as this year should have made clear, you can never have enough starting pitching.
Comment by bayareadfan — October 25, 2009 #
“So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, goodbye… to a group of veterans that were here in 2009, but shouldn’t be in 2010 for a variety of reasons – some financial, and some performance-related. Jim Thome, Jon Garland, Ronnie Belliard, Doug Mientkiewicz, Jeff Weaver, Brad Ausmus, Guillermo Mota, Jason Repko, Mark Loretta, Juan Castro, and Will Ohman.”
Some of those will definitely be missed. Thome was a class act all around, I hope he finds success back in the AL, where he no doubt is going. Who knows, maybe next August, if the circumstances are right, we could see him back.
Good luck to Garland, too. He was very underrated with us, posting a 2.7 ERA that hardly anyone noticed. Had some good starts. Got lost in the cracks and was never heard from again.
I have a feeling Belliard will be back though.
Comment by bayareadfan — October 25, 2009 #
Agreed on Garland, though $8 million is a lot to pay for that when Haegar could very well have the same if not better production.
Hope you’re wrong about Belliard. O-Dog deserved some playing time this postseason, and Torre trotting Ronnie “I’m in here for my bat but I’m not hitting” Belliard out there every night was seriously making me upset.
Comment by Justin — October 25, 2009 #
I think the only way Belliard resigns is if he is okay coming off of the bench at second, third and first. Someone will offer him a starting gig and he will sign there. Even if the Dodgers do offer arbitration and Belliard accepts (which is highly unlikely, IMO), there are worse things.
Comment by grabarkewitz — October 25, 2009 #
Good stuff…I like the Pierre idea
Comment by Wes Parker in Iowa — October 25, 2009 #
According to Cot’s, Castillo has only two years left on his contract.
Comment by Willie — October 25, 2009 #
Ugh, you’re right. I saw “2011″ and didn’t quite comprehend how close we are to that. We are truly living into the future!
Comment by Mike Scioscia's tragic illness — October 25, 2009 #
What about Felix Hernandez?
I’d rather have the king before dropping 5 prospects for 1 year of Halladay.
Sweeten the pot and trade Martin, Loney, MacDonald, and Elbert for Felix and Jose Lopez. I hate Pierre just as much as the next guy, but getting an equally bad contract in return (with health issues) isn’t smart… though we are talking about Ned Colletti here… soooo… lets think of the dumbest thing possible and that is probably what he will do.
I expect multiple FA signings of the “veteran” type. Including Placido Polanco and possibly Lackey. Kevin Millwood also seems like a possibility. I think I’d rather have him than Padilla, though to tell you the truth I’d rather have neither… I just don’t doubt that Ned does something stupid to get and ACE this offseason.
We have a huge strength in the penn and I expect him to turn it into a weakness if he does decide to trade up for a believed ACE. Personally I dont think we need an ace. Kershaw and Bills is just fine for me. We need to be patient with the kids!
Comment by dusto — October 25, 2009 #
Lackey is probably the class of the free agent pitching market this year, so there’s no way he ends up with us. But Millwood or Polanco wouldn’t surprise me. We’re probably all somewhat jaded when we fully expect our free agent pickups to be “I was good 5 years ago!” guy, and “My arm feels great! I swear…just don’t touch it” guy.
Comment by The Fury — October 26, 2009 #
Can you and kensai get over the Santana trade. We all know it sucked great but sorry Casey Blake was more important to this team’s success then manny was this year. And to suggest that Troy Glaus will ever be as good as casey blake in his career again is laughable. I like your blog but thats just garbage.
Comment by Matt — October 26, 2009 #
You’re missing the point. The point is not “was Casey Blake a useful player”, because he was until the playoffs. The point is that it was insane that the Indians got a better player for Blake (Santana) than they did for Sabathia (LaPorta), all because the Dodgers had to be cheap and save $2m.
Comment by Mike Scioscia's tragic illness — October 26, 2009 #
Um ya useful he was but thats not the argument. Blake was arguably their 4th best hitter behind Ethier, Kemp, and Loney over the course of the regular season. Blake also had a few good at bats aginst the Cardinals in the first round. He did struggle the rest of the post season, especially against the Phils, but everyone did. No, the argument is whether Troy Glaus will ever again in his career be as useful as blake in the field and at the plate. Not a chance. Not with his injury history. I know your clouded by the the trade that got him but lets set that aside and be objective. Blake was better than expected fielding and hitting the last season and a half and I know you bloggers have a field day with points like this but…he was good veteran personality for the youth. Unlike pierre production came with it.
Comment by Matt — October 26, 2009 #
Well yeah, but I never said “bring Glaus in to be the starting 3B”. I specifically said bring him in to be a power bat off the bench, and if he does somehow get healthy and awesome again, then great. I didn’t say it was likely, just that if it happens then I’d have no problem pushing Blake to the bench for him.
Comment by Mike Scioscia's tragic illness — October 26, 2009 #
This is an excellent, plan– I’m on board with all of your ideas. I think the only flaw is that Bedard/Harden and Glaus will all cost more than you’re projecting here; and that the Mets won’t go along with your genius bad contract swap.
I think the Dodgers are going to try to keep the payroll at $100m this year, which means no significant upgrades. A more likely scenario is to basically dump Pierre while paying only half of his salary on his remaining years, to free up cash for either a #4 starter or a 2B.
Comment by Erich — October 27, 2009 #
I like most of the ideas. I’m not sure about Castillo, personally, I’d rather give the job to DeWitt (even though that isn’t Colletti’s MO). Though I do agree that moving Pierre makes a lot of sense. Also, rather than going for one of the comeback pitchers (which I would make a Plan B to my idea), I’d make a legit run at Aroldis Chapman.
Comment by KG16 — October 27, 2009 #
I was commenting simultaneously on Chapman as well, but that is gonna be a lot more money than 15m for 2 years. But the thought of that is exciting
Comment by ritzpolo22 — October 27, 2009 #
MSTI, what do you think or what have you heard about the Cuban kid who defected at the WBC??? Because of the divorce I don’t think we have much of a chance because of some of the cash needed, but to think about him, Kershaw, & Bills in the rotation for the next 6 years would be pretty sweet.
Comment by ritzpolo22 — October 27, 2009 #
Great plan. After three years, I’m almost resigned to Pierre’s existence at this point. Even though the numbers match, I don’t know if adding Castillo is worth the effort. I have a feeling we might go hard after Uggla. He’s about to get expensive, but he would add dependable power to a homer-starved infield. If I were to guess as to the package required to land him, I’d say DeWitt and McDonald.
Comment by kinbote — October 27, 2009 #
I am not sure of their needs but Juan Pierre and James McDonald to Kansas City for Gil Meche or to Cincinnati for Aaron Harang would add pitching depth and close to a wash in contract status. Then keep an eye on the non-tenders as Kelly Johnson of Atlanta would be a nice fit at second base. Also Chein Ming Wang might be a non tender candidate that might be worth the gamble to bring in.
Comment by Homerfan102 — October 27, 2009 #
What about Pierre to the red sox for Mike Lowell, he is owed 12 mil for 1 year, maybe throw in some cash. I know Lowell can play third, second, and first.. and correct me if I’m wrong but don’t the Red Sox like having speedy outfileder on the bench, ala Roberts.
Comment by Mud — October 28, 2009 #
I would be very pleased if this was our off-season. Everything made sense.
Except one thing. Juan Castro wasn’t that bad last year. He was a decent substitute.
Comment by What it is — November 15, 2009 #
Nice plan but I think you are over stating the 2010 payroll. I’ll be surprised if the Dodgers go over 105 Million to start the season. To make it work I think they will have to not only move Pierre but eat some of his salary and not take on an existing bad contract. For the Dodgers to have any flexibility this winter moving Juan even a at a 50% discount is going to be the key move of the winter.
Comment by Phil Gurnee — November 16, 2009 #
If the Dodgers are content to simply make the playoffs every year, your recommendations are fine. However, a team that draws almost 4mil a year owes alot more to it’s fans. In fact, in 2009 the Dodgers were the #1 draw in baseball, check the facts. Does this mean they have to spend more than the Yankee’s? Absolutely not, but if they want to make it by the Philles, they need a Doc Halliday to counter Cliff Lee, and eventually C.C. Sabathia. Simply getting by the first round of the playoffs doesn’t work any more for the true fan. It’s been 21 years since our last World Series, step up Colletti and make the deal for “DOC”!
Comment by DANO — November 17, 2009 #
I have been blowing my horn about Scott Elbert as much as you have about Charlie Haeger. I think Elbert is a starting pitcher as he has ALWAYS been in the minors. He is not a reliever, he is not a situational reliever, and he is not a good guy to bring in with men on base. He has great stuff and I do believe if the Dodgers would go into Spring Training with the idea that he can win a spot, that Elbert will not disappoint them. Why has he not done better in his numerous cups of coffee to the Bigs? Simple, he has not been cast in the correct role.
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