MSTI’s 2011 in Review: First Base
October 5, 2011 at 8:57 am | Posted in James Loney | 38 CommentsMan, I barely know where to start with this one…
James Loney (Grade: ¿ or ¡ maybe? Or æ. Ooh, let’s go with þ.)
.288/.339/.416 .755 12hr 1.1 WAR
When I first started putting these 1991 Topps cards together, it was early August, and Loney’s was one of the first ones I did. The original photo was of him with his head down, walking slowly back to the dugout after yet another failed at-bat. He looked sad, which is exactly how he made us feel.
You’ll notice that this image of sadness is no longer included in his card. Now, the picture is of him focusing on another hapless pitcher, helplessly attempting to figure out what he can do to fool the Unstoppable Force That Is James Loney. If you think that sounds weird now, just imagine what the July version of you would have said.
Other than Matt Kemp and Clayton Kershaw, I’m pretty sure that there was no player discussed on this site in 2011 more than Loney, simply because he was so damn confounding. Since he’s the only first baseman we’re talking about today, we’re going to take a nice leisurely ride through the good, bad, and downright bizarre of Loney’s season. No, really, be warned: I wrote a lot about Loney this season.
Hell, the season hadn’t even started when I first really bagged on him back on March 24:
(*Regarding Loney, I’d like to note here that I’m in an NL-only draft with several of my Baseball Prospectus cohorts, in a league which requires full 40-man rosters. As you can imagine, the pickings in the lower rounds of this draft are beyond slim. We’re in the 35th round, so over 400 players are off the board. Loney remains available.)
At the time, that seemed in no way unreasonable, and things didn’t look any better on April 14, when I noted that he was “sucking in a fashion not generally seen outside of the darkest corners of the internet,” and by April 20 he was getting entire posts dedicated to how awful he was, not only here, but at Baseball Prospectus, where I pointed out that his home/road and lefty/right splits were so severe, his only hope of success might be as a platoon player outside of Dodger Stadium.
That was followed up by “James Loney’s Total Eclipse of the Bat” on May 7:
The list you’re seeing there is of all non-pitchers since the 1947 integration who have had as many plate appearances as Loney did entering tonight, sorted by fewest extra-base hits. Loney had two hits in five plate appearances tonight that aren’t reflected here, but they were each singles, so it doesn’t really change the results.
What’s really enlightening here is to look at the position column, all the way to the right. Almost all of these hitless wonders were middle infielders from decades ago, at a position and time where a lack of power was accepted, with a few catchers thrown in for good measure. Worse, this is a list comprised almost entirely of players who never really had careers to speak of. You haven’t heard of Dwain Anderson, Elio Chacon, or Larry Lintz, right? The only one here who is notable in any way is Al Lopez, a fine catcher who made the Hall of Fame via the Veterans Committee, but whose entry on this list was the final season of his 19-year career, at age 38.
It gets worse. I didn’t include the full list above, but it actually goes out to 55 names, as there are dozens of others tied with Loney at two extra-base hits. You might think that by stretching it out that far, you’d end up with at least a few other first basemen. You’d be wrong. It’s almost entirely comprised of catchers, second basemen and shortstops, with the odd center fielder (like 39-year-old Brett Butler’s 1993, or 22-year-old Juan Pierre‘s 2000). In fact, the only other player on the list who even played a single inning at first base was Mike Fiore in 1970, split between the Red Sox and Royals. Fiore played his final MLB game at 27 two years later, which is exactly the age Loney turned today.
Let’s not stop there, though. We all know that this isn’t just six weeks of underwhelming production, but that he’s coming off a tough second half of 2010, too. From the start of last year’s second half on July 15 through the start of play today, Loney had 405 plate appearances and a line of .213/.274/.305, an OPS of .579. Using the same timeframe of 1947-present, here’s the list of seasons of at least 405 plate appearances by players who saw at least half of their time at first base, sorted by lowest OPS.
James Loney, at that point, was historically awful, and as the season slipped away, most of us wondered how long it was worthwhile to stick with him, particularly as he went nearly six weeks without an extra-base hit. Here’s the thing, though: I feel like a lot of people are under the misconception that Loney was garbage for over four months and then suddenly turned it on in August. That’s not exactly true; while he didn’t become James Loney, Superhero, until late summer, there were already signs in May that he was starting to pick it up:
As I joked on Twitter, James Loney is slowly moving into “not our biggest problem” territory, after reaching base three times today. That doesn’t mean that he’s suddenly become all that good or that I’ve changed my overall opinion on him, but he has doubled in three straight games and hit in 8 of 9 & 15 of 18, raising his line from an unbelievably bad .167/.191/.211 on April 23 to a more realistically poor line of .240/.283/.292 after today. With the rest of the injury and production issues mounting, and Loney still contributing his usual solid defense, he’s no longer the biggest concern.
And again, on May 30:
James Loney hadn’t thrilled the home crowd with a homer since August 31, 2010, when he took Philadelphia’s Kyle Kendrick deep. He’s now done it twice in four days, tonight leading the Dodgers with three hits as they battered Colorado’s Jason Hammel and the reeling Rockies on their way to a 7-1 win. Loney’s certainly playing like a man who wants to keep his job, and a .295/.354/.420 in May is certainly a good start. It’ll take more than that to overcome everything else, but it’s a step in the right direction, and for all the heat he’s taken here and elsewhere over the last year, it’s fantastic to see any bit of a spark from him.
…and again, on June 23:
Since that four-hit game on April 26, Loney has turned his season around, hitting .331/.388/.432 in 188 plate appearances, good for an .820 OPS with a nice 14/16 K/BB ratio. That OPS still isn’t great – it’d put him at 13th among qualified 1B if he’d had it for the full season - but it’s immensely better than his “among the worst in history” start to the season.
To even be able to say that Loney has value with a straight face, after months of wondering when he’d be benched, is a testament to just how good he’s been lately.
All of which was reflected in his midseason grade in early July:
James Loney (C-) (.268/.311/.342 4hr -0.5 WAR)
I feel weird giving Loney a C-, because his line and a grade in that range suggest that he was his normal mediocre self all season. Far from it; by early May, he was the most hated man in LA since OJ and we were all writing articles about how bad his season was going to be on a historical level. Since then, he’s basically been the best non-Kemp hitter on the team. That doesn’t mean he’s good – hooray, a .751 OPS from a 1B since April 26! – and again, that says a lot about the rest of the players on this team, but nothing tells you more about the plight of the 2011 Dodgers than the fact that their punchless overpaid first baseman is no longer even close to being the biggest issue here.
So to say that Loney finally started showing some life in August isn’t exactly true, as he’d been on a slow incline all season. This would all make for a nice and tight narrative… if not for July. Holy good lord, July:
| Split | G | PA | H | 2B | HR | BB | SO | ||||
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| April/March | 28 | 112 | 22 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 16 | .210 | .241 | .248 | .489 |
| May | 28 | 100 | 27 | 5 | 2 | 7 | 5 | .293 | .350 | .413 | .763 |
| June | 25 | 97 | 30 | 3 | 1 | 7 | 12 | .337 | .381 | .404 | .786 |
| July | 25 | 81 | 13 | 4 | 0 | 5 | 10 | .176 | .225 | .230 | .455 |
| August | 27 | 90 | 29 | 6 | 5 | 10 | 12 | .367 | .433 | .633 | 1.066 |
| Sept/Oct | 25 | 102 | 32 | 11 | 3 | 8 | 12 | .348 | .400 | .587 | .987 |
July was so bad that it was even worse than his April, and April was putrid. It was so bad that on August 3, all three Dodger beat writers wrote about how bad things were, as he’d been dropped into something of a platoon with Juan Rivera at first base. For my part, my patience had run out:
The total there is good enough for the 10th-worst OPS in MLB, and other than the inexplicable collapse of Adam Dunn, every single one of the guys performing worse than Loney are up the middle players, either 2B, SS, or CF. We could cite any number of stats pointing out his ineptitude – among players with as many PA as Loney has, he’s the 6th worst player by TAv – but in this case it’s not really necessary, because the eye test is clearly good enough.
Getting pinch-hit for in the late innings of a close game or not, it’s clear that Loney’s tenure as a Dodger is coming to an end. To his credit, his quotes in the above stories reflect a player who understands that he hasn’t been performing, and I’d also praise Mattingly for not slavishly continuing to play him every day when the production isn’t there. Loney’s an all-but-guaranteed non-tender following the season, though it should be noted there’s no obvious replacement for him in 2012, either.
And that was the end, it seemed, of James Loney, member of the Los Angeles Dodgers. But beginning with the ridiculous 24-hour span in which he threw a bullpen session in case he was needed to help support an overworked bullpen and then went 4-4 with a homer and a double the next day, Loney became a new man. That was August 21, and it all started happening from there.
But back to Loney. I’ve been making jokes about his performance against the Rockies for some time now, chalking most of it up to the Coors Field effect. Clearly, that doesn’t hold water anymore; the last two have come at home. He’s now hit just two homers in the last 362 days that didn’t come against Colorado. The Dodgers finish off the series against the Rockies with Nathan Eovaldi against Jhoulys Chacin tomorrow, before welcoming San Diego into town. Has Loney really turned some kind of corner? Or will he turn back into a pumpkin as soon as Jim Tracy and crew leave town? More importantly, is this going to convince Ned Colletti to tender him a contract after the season? I still think it’s unlikely at the price he’d get in arbitration, but the last week or two has thrown some doubt into the conversation…
As hot as Loney as been lately – and make no mistake, he’s been excellent – it’s also been eight games and 35 at-bats. In his previous 37 at-bats, leading back to the beginning of the month, he’d hit .243/.341/.351 with two extra-base hits. In all of July, he hit .176/.225/.230 with four extra-base hits, all doubles. So as much as I’m enjoying the new and improved James Loney, this level of production is going to need to last for at least another week or two (if not the rest of the season) before I’m able to chalk it up to anything more than a very welcome hot streak.
That’s what brings me back to perception. Streaks happen in baseball. Anyone can have one, in either direction. Just as Loney is absolutely not as good as he’s been over the last week, he’s also not really as bad as he showed in April when we were all calling for his head. It won’t take too much more for this hot streak to basically counteract his frigid start; as Jon Weisman rightly mentioned at Dodger Thoughts, since Loney’s low point on April 24, he’s essentially been standard-issue Loney, with an OPS similar to his career marks.
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The point is, absent further information or the unlikely probability that Loney hits like this through the end of the season, he’s probably going to be the same James Loney that he’s always been. He’ll end up with 10-12 homers and a line somewhere in the neighborhood of .280/.335/.395, just like every year. He was never as bad as we poked fun at him for being early in the season when he struggled to get the average above .200, nor is he as good as he’s seemed in the last week. He’s still going to be a likely non-tender following the season, simply because the Dodgers can’t afford to pay ~$6m to a non-star first baseman (though it’s possible they still attempt to bring him back after that for a lesser price.)
The thing is… he kept it up. If his September wasn’t quite as good as his August, it was still excellent with a .987 OPS. The longer his tear went on, the clearer it became that he was going to be sticking around.
Back to Loney, with only nine games left, I’ve begun to change my tune. No, I don’t necessarily think he’s “for real”, and there’s still a very good argument to be made that he should be non-tendered, but I think we’ve reached the point where the conversation is mostly going to be for the sake of argument: whether any of us like it or not, he’s going to get tendered a contract for 2012.
That holds true today – I strongly believe Loney gets tendered. And maybe, just maybe, that’s not as bad of an idea as we think it is. If you’re not getting Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder – which, spoiler alert, you’re not – the remaining first base alternatives aren’t all that enticing, particularly if Jerry Sands is filling an outfield spot. If, somehow, he’s figured it out, then one year at ~$6m isn’t that terrible. If he hasn’t? Well, with Dee Gordon and his erratic arm at shortstop, you’re going to need a first baseman who can pick it. Still not necessarily saying I’d do it, but I can understand the reasons why the Dodgers might. Without question, the Loney choice is going to be the highest risk / highest reward issue of the winter.
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Loney, heading into free agency after next season, finished the season strong. Is he capable of hitting second, behind Gordon and in front of Kemp, or does his lack of speed hurt the Dodgers batting 2nd? Go Blue!
Comment by dodgerccp— October 5, 2011 #
Mike, I assume you’ve seen Chad Moriyama’s analysis of Loney’s swing during his hot streak (http://www.chadmoriyama.com/2011/09/james-loneys-late-surge-regression-to-the-mean-or-legitimate-growth/)? It seems that there is legitimate reason for hope that his performance increases might be semi-permanent – and anyone who reads Chad’s stuff knows he’s not one to give false hope. I highly recommend every check out that post.
Comment by Dave Pomerantz— October 5, 2011 #
I did read it, great stuff. I am in no way an expert on swing mechanics so I have a hard time viewing any minor change in his approach and pretending I know if it’s meaningful. But it’s hard to ignore the fact that he wasn’t just great for six games at the end of the year, but six weeks. That’s a pretty decent tear to be on, and I’m guessing we’ll get to see if he keeps it up in 2012.
Comment by Mike— October 5, 2011 #
A+ again
Comment by Ken— October 5, 2011 #
As Yogi Berra said, “90% of hitting is mental; the other half is physical.”
Once you reach a certain point as a hitter, it can become a huge mind game. Loney just exuded confidence the last two months.
I just hope it is permanent, as opposed to being like my golf game, where it disappears with one fat fairway wood.
Comment by SamAdams— October 5, 2011 #
Wow that’s a lot of ink for a Loney analysis.
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For the last two years Loney has had odd splits pre and post All Star, but he seems to end up at the same place every year. And that would good enough if he could hit a few more long balls. Obviously he doesn’t hit LHers all that well, so he sits against them and pinch hits late on those days. I too think he gets tendered.
Comment by Rory— October 5, 2011 #
Should Loney return, he owes young Gordon a cut of the contract for making him nearly a necessity.
Comment by jWerthFan— October 5, 2011 #
I just hope he gets better with time- Offerman gave me premature white hair when he was with us-
Comment by Eric Alegado— October 6, 2011 #
For like $2-3 million we can have certain crappiness with Lee, Overbay, etc.
Or for $6-7 million we can have probable crappiness with a faint hope of non-crappiness with Loney.
The extra $3-5 million doesn’t seem to be worth it but for some reason I’m leaning towards bringing back Loney anyway.
Comment by Brandon— October 5, 2011 #
Is there any traction to Loney playing the outfield? He seems so slow and his glove plays so well at first I just wonder if someone is blowing smoke or if this is a legitimate attempt to get a power hitting 1st baseman. What do you guys think?
Comment by Tim— October 5, 2011 #
Loney says he’d do it, and that the last two times he tried (07, 08) he didn’t have the benefit of a spring training, was trying to learn mid-season. Just a matter of whether or not the rat bastard will come up with the money to pay Fielder. He lost badly in court (again) today, so… we shall see if he even owns the team by next season.
Comment by Dave Pomerantz— October 5, 2011 #
Personally, I think it’s the kinda crazy talk that never gets too close to reality.
Comment by Table— October 5, 2011 #
Loney is a riddle wrapped in an enigma.
Comment by Juan Pierre— October 5, 2011 #
. . . tied up with a mystery.
Comment by Jeff M.— October 5, 2011 #
and wrapped in a tortilla.
Comment by crushinator— October 5, 2011 #
And served with bacon!
Comment by Jeff M.— October 6, 2011 #
Mmmm…bacon!
Looks like he gets tendered with that argument…. :D
Comment by Eric Alegado— October 6, 2011 #
My predicted 2012 numbers for LA Dodger Jim Loney:
22 HRs 110 RBIs .310/.375/.495/.870
2012 salary of $6.5 million
Comment by The Dude Abides— October 5, 2011 #
And maybe he could come off first base to be a situational lefthander as well.
Comment by WBB— October 5, 2011 #
I think the Dodgers would be very happy with that line to say the least… That is certainly always’ seemed to be Loney’s ceiling. 20 HR and 300+ avg.
Maybe ceiling would be to hit .330 or so again and hits 20+ HR.
Comment by Jon#7#22— October 5, 2011 #
In order to get 110 RBIs he would have to play everyday, that means he gets over 150 ABs against left handers, he won’t be hitting .310 .375 .495 overall, though just maybe he manages that level of production against right handers.
Comment by Table— October 5, 2011 #
He’s been hitting lefties pretty well since his resurgence. He’ll likely sit against some of them, but if Rivera is brought back, my guess is that he’ll spell Ethier more often.
Comment by The Dude Abides— October 6, 2011 #
>> by early May, he was the most hated man in LA since OJ
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Not true. This statement was (and still is) true of the guy on the upper right with the 56 plastered over his face, not James Loney.
Comment by nsxtasy— October 5, 2011 #
I agree- I would think McBankrupt and Colletti should rank a shade higher than mid-season Loney.
Comment by Eric Alegado— October 6, 2011 #
I look forward to seeing our home grown Dodger James Loney return. It appears that he’s adjusted the mechanics on his swing for better contact and power. Hopefully, the last two months of this season will carry into next season. Also, Loney has a plus glove and demeanor.
Comment by DBlue— October 5, 2011 #
Did you ever get around to the grade?
Comment by jWerthFan— October 5, 2011 #
His grade is (pi x 7i/4) + Matt Kemp’s OBP / Casey Blake’s slugging %. Please show your work.
Comment by Jeff M.— October 5, 2011 #
August saw the end of James Loney(mediocre 1st baseman) and the birth of Jim Loney(dangerous hitter).
Comment by Tommy Blackjack— October 5, 2011 #
Did he not come in with a hot final months of the season in 07, then what happened? *yawn*
Comment by DodgersKings323— October 5, 2011 #
Loney still should have his ABs against left handers limited. I’m intrigued by the possibility of Scott Van Slyke getting an MLB promotion at some point in 2012 as his 1st/OF status makes him a good fit along with the left handed Ethier/Loney.
Comment by Table— October 5, 2011 #
If the Dodgers do hang on to Loney hopefully Angelo Songco continues to improve in order to replace him in 2013/14
Comment by Table— October 5, 2011 #
Here’s your end-of-season Zack Lee update, courtesy of the Great Lakes Loons website:
2011 Season
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ERHR BB SO GO/AO AVG
GL MID 9 6 3.47 24 24 0 0 0 109.0 101 51 42 9 32 91 1.19 .242
Minors 9 6 3.47 24 24 0 0 0 109.0 101 51 42 9 32 91 1.19 .242
Looks like he had an up and down season – some great moments, some not so good.
Comment by Steve— October 6, 2011 #
from a 19 year old? I’m excited.
Comment by Dave Pomerantz— October 6, 2011 #
Those K/BB numbers are not bad at all.
Comment by Bip— October 6, 2011 #
Hanging on to Loney is much more palatable if they have a right handed option like Rivera to pair with him. The spot that needs to have the most attention is 3rd base. Uribe is not going to cut it unless you have a stat monster at 2nd base which I don’t see happening either. A trade for Wright might work for both LA and NY.
Comment by west coast ram— October 6, 2011 #
My hope for a free-agent signing is either Reyes or Rollins and getting them to play 2B. If not that, then Yu Darvish if Kuroda doesn’t re-sign.
Comment by The Dude Abides— October 6, 2011 #
Reyes isn’t playing 2B. Rollins isn’t playing 2B. Gordon isn’t playing 2B. Sorry, it just ain’t gonna happen. And Rollins wants WAY more money than he’s worth.
Comment by Dave Pomerantz— October 6, 2011 #
Yeah not sure why Reyes and Rollins would move over to 2B for Gordon?? Why move from premium at SS to 2B? It’s more likely the Dodgers sign Fielder AND Pujols.
Comment by Jon#7#22— October 6, 2011 #