Would You Trade Juan Uribe for Carlos Zambrano?


So here’s a thought exercise for the day before the Dodgers send Chad Billingsley out against Yovani Gallardo this evening: would you trade Juan Uribe for Carlos Zambrano, the undeniably-talented-but-maybe-Milton Bradley-level-crazy Cub starter who is currently fighting a suspension handed down when he cleaned out his locker following an ejection over the weekend? (Let’s be clear: what follows is entirely speculation. This is not a rumor or anything close to one, just something interesting to spend an afternoon on.)

Tim Dierkes, Cubs fan and mastermind of MlbTradeRumors, runs through the list of “my problem for your problem” deals the Cubs could make to be rid of Zambrano - suggestions include Barry Zito, Aaron Rowand, Chone Figgins, and Adam Dunn – and the Dodgers, along with everyone’s favorite overweight infielder, make an appearance: (link h/t Jon Weisman)

Zambrano and $2MM to the Dodgers for Juan Uribe.  If the Dodgers are having buyer’s remorse on Uribe, this could be a way to wash their hands of the deal after 2012 instead of ’13.  But since Uribe still has some positive value, the Cubs would have to add a player or additional money.

First, the money: after making $5m this year, Uribe still has $16m coming to him over the next two seasons. Zambrano gets $17.875m this year, and $18m in 2012, along with a 2013 vesting option that has almost no chance of activating. Since this season is largely done, that’s where Dierkes’ suggestion of $2m comes in – to bridge the gap between Uribe’s $16m and Zambrano’s $18m.

So if the money is a wash, which player is preferable? Uribe, 33 next March, has had something like two decent seasons in the last five, and has been a complete disaster as a Dodger, though he still flashes a good glove, and both teams are looking to go with a good young shortstop prospect next year while having no answers at 2B and 3B. Zambrano, 30 as of this June 1, is probably not as good as the reputation he gained while putting up shiny win-loss records for good Chicago clubs in the early and middle part of the decade, but generally has a FIP in the 3.50-4.50 range, and don’t forget that this is a world where Ted Lilly picked up $33m guaranteed. If you’re talking about talent vs talent, the younger pitcher with the better track record beats the older infielder with a mediocre history nearly every time.

The catch, of course, is that Zambrano is a lunatic, while Uribe has no such baggage. The list of his trangressions are long and varied, and the possibility that the Cubs may be done with him depreciates his trade value, and there’s more than a few teams who wouldn’t think about touching him. I’m not sure I’d place the Dodgers in that category, however; for all the things that we’ve seen go wrong this year, clubhouse harmony has not been one of them. This is, by all accounts, a solid group of characters and Don Mattingly has done a good job of keeping the team on track through a trying season. In addition, this a team that in recent years survived Manny Ramirez and successfully took on another troubled pitcher, Vicente Padilla.

The question then would be, is the money better spent on a pitcher or an infielder, and there’s the tough part. Hiroki Kuroda may or may not return in 2012 – doing this deal would all but ensure that he wouldn’t – and Rubby De La Rosa is out following Tommy John surgery, so adding another arm would be nice to prevent rushing guys like Nathan Eovaldi and Allen Webster. On the other hand, this is a Dodger infield that has zero guaranteed starters for 2012; James Loney, Casey Blake, Jamey Carroll, and Aaron Miles could all be gone, and Dee Gordon has yet to prove that he has either the health or the ability to be the shortstop for a full season. Trading Uribe would further weaken the already tenuous infield depth, and so maybe it’s better to try to keep Uribe and hang on to Kuroda, rather than turn Uribe into Zambrano and say so long to Hiroki.

Two sides to this proposal, clearly: which way do you lean?

Juan Uribe Should Probably Stop Helping Pitchers Get Him Out


Juan Uribe
, you may have noticed, is awful. He can’t hit lefties (.521 OPS) or righties (.585 OPS). He can’t hit when the pressure is on (.593 in high leverage situations), when it’s off (.614 in low leverage), or when the pressure is just about right, Goldilocks (.495 in medium leverage). He can’t hit during the day (.614), and he can’t hit at night (.555). He can’t hit at Dodger Stadium (.674 OPS), and he really can’t hit anywhere else (.438).  He hit a little in April (.723), but not at all in May (.496) or June (.488). He can’t hit as a second baseman (.609) or a third baseman (.548). He can’t hit with the bases empty (.622), and he can’t hit with men on (.509). He can’t hit when he comes up with zero outs (.541), one out (.577), or two outs (.595). He can’t hit pitchers known for their flyball tendencies (.533), but nor can he hit those who keep the ball on the ground (.511).

Juan Uribe simply can’t hit anything right now.

With the exception of some decent defense, there is almost nothing that Uribe is doing at the moment that is of major league quality. If he had enough plate appearances to qualify for the batting title, his .258 wOBA would be the third-worst in baseball, ahead of only Alexis Rios and the much-reviled Yuniesky Betancourt.

That Uribe isn’t a very good baseball player should come as no surprise; after all, this is the same guy who spent his age 25-28 seasons (theoretically, at or near a player’s prime) putting up a .241/.284/.409 mark for the White Sox. Unsurprisingly, they then cut him loose and the Giants picked him up for only a non-roster invite on a minor league deal. He had a surprisingly nice 2009 in San Francisco, which earned him a one-year deal for 2010, in which he regressed in nearly every offensive area with the exception of homers and completely meaningless RBI. That, somehow, earned him a three-year, $21m contract with the Dodgers, a pact we’re likely to be regretting through 2013.

But the point of today’s post isn’t to bash Ned Colletti about the contract. Just about everyone knew it was a horrible deal to give three guaranteed years to a player with a long track record of mediocrity or worse. (Everyone, it seemed, except for the Dodgers and the Giants, who reportedly had offered a deal close to or equal to the LA offer). We knew it was a bad idea at the time. We know it’s a bad idea now. That hasn’t changed.

Yet what we couldn’t have expected was just how bad Uribe would be in 2011, because if you remember, I actually advocated signing him in my 2011 plan. At the time, I said I’d be willing to offer him one year with a player option on a second to come play second base on this year’s club, figuring that even though his low OBP wouldn’t be ideal, his power and defense would be a good short-term improvement on Ryan Theriot. In retrospect, I clearly underestimated the market, though I will add that I wrote that before the 2010 San Francisco playoff run, in which he hit two home runs on the big stage despite not doing much else.

So the question then becomes, why is he so awful this year? We’ve heard all the usual bits about a player pressing in a new home and trying to live up to the expectations of a large contract, and perhaps there’s some truth to that. He’s had to fight through some nagging injuries, and there might have been some impact there, though it’s hard to pin his entire disappointing season on that alone.

Let’s compare some of his numbers to his two years in San Francisco. My first thought, just based on watching him flail, was that he was swinging at far too many first pitches, yet surprisingly that ratio (31%) is down from 39% and 33% in his two years as a Giant. It may still be too high, but it’s not the sole culprit here. (It does play a factor, though; more on that in a second.) He’s striking out (20.1%) a bit more than he did in his quality 2009 (19.0%), though he is actually drawing a few more walks this year (6.1%) than that year (5.8%). His BABIP (.246) is far down from that year’s .325, though since his number in 2010 was .256 and since 2009 was the only year in the past seven in which that number climbed over .287, it seems that his 2009 success was more fluky good than 2011 is fluky bad.

No, what appears to be happening is that opposing pitchers are adjusting, and Uribe is failing to adjust with them. Uribe is swinging at about the same percentage of pitches he always has, with this year’s 53.4% swing rate falling comfortably within the 50-55% range he’s had nearly every year of his career. And his 78.5% contact rate is actually very slightly better than his career average of 77.9% and is higher than in either of his two decent years in the Bay Area.

So Uribe hasn’t really started to swing at more balls than usual, appearances aside, and he’s not missing more balls than usual. Unfortunately for him, pitchers have simply stopped throwing him strikes this year, perhaps knowing that he’s not going to be able to lay off. With one exception, Uribe has always seen first-pitch strikes in the 60-61% range, every year of his career. This year? That number has gone from 60.9% in each of the last two years to 53.2%, nearly 8% less. Pitchers are starting him off with strikes far less than they ever have before, but as I noted above, he’s been unable to adjust since he’s only swinging at 2% fewer first pitches.

It’s not just first pitches, either. Only 41.7% of all pitches he sees are in the strike zone, which not only a career low but is a shocking drop when you consider that the number was between 48.4% and 56.6% each year from 2003-2009. Despite seeing far fewer pitches in the zone, his swing rate has remained steady – i.e., more of his swings are at balls outside the zone. Since he’s not missing more, his contact rate on balls thrown outside the zone has risen to a career-high 61.0%.

Unless you’re Vladimir Guerrero, that’s a problem, because if you’re swinging at and connecting on balls outside the strike zone, chances are you’re not swinging at the right pitches. Uribe is indeed fouling off pitches at the highest rate of his career, which is what happens when you’re chasing crappy pitches.

It stands to reason that by laying off more of the balls outside the zone, only good things can happen. He’d get more walks, obviously. He’d stop helping the pitcher by making weak outs on the pitches he wants Uribe to hit. Keep it up long enough, and he’d get better pitches to hit.

Even if he doesn’t, taking balls rather than fouling away a strike will put Uribe in the one situation where he can hit: when he’s ahead in the count, Juan Uribe has a line of .317/.430/.476. We’ve long wanted to be rid of watching Uribe up at the plate hacking away; now there’s real reason to do so.

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I’ve added entry #53 to the McCourt sin list. Well, it’s actually #11, since the list is roughly chronological and it happened so long ago, but still. The way things are going today with all of the bankruptcy court garbage going back and forth, it won’t be too long before we have even more to add.

One Bad Inning Ends Dodger Winning Streak


Hiroki Kuroda had one bad inning tonight, allowing hits to Miguel Montero and Geoff Blum to lead off the second before letting Brandon Allen make the most of his second plate appearance of the season by blasting a three-run homer to right. Kuroda allowed just two other hits, retiring the last nine he faced, but this year’s Dodgers aren’t built to withstand even one bad inning. With the exception of Matt Kemp‘s solo homer to lead off the second – Matt Kemp, still good at baseball – the only other threat came when Ian Kennedy walked Rafael Furcal with the bases loaded in the fifth. And thus ends the five-game winning streak, sinking the Dodgers back to ten games under .500.

Speaking of Furcal, Steve Dilbeck asked earlier today how long the Dodgers can wait for he and Juan Uribe to come around. It’s a fair question; each has been either injured, awful, or both all season long, and that was the case even before they combined to go 0-6 with just the aforementioned walk. Unfortunately, the options to replace them are slim; all you can do at this point is keep throwing them out there and pray that they bounce back. What else are you going to do? As awful as Uribe has been, there’s too much time and money left on his atrocious contract to consider it a sunk cost, and if he’s to regain any of his value he needs to be on the field. Furcal is a different case, since his time as a Dodger is almost certainly at an end; still, Dee Gordon clearly showed that he wasn’t ready, so it’s hard to argue that a change should be made there right now. If anything, as Jon Weisman noted in our video chat earlier, perhaps the club should stop minimizing Jamey Carroll.

Finally, Christopher Jackson of the Albuquerque Baseball Examiner relays the news that the Isotopes released catcher JD Closser to make room for A.J. Ellis. Under normal circumstances, an AAA club releasing a 31-year-old member of the Official Fraternity of Backup Catchers who hasn’t seen the bigs since 2006 is hardly noteworthy, but absent more info, it does seem to be an odd decision. As Jackson notes, Ellis seems almost certain to return to the Dodgers sooner than later when Rod Barajas or Dioner Navarro either re-injure themselves or finally wear out their welcomes with general awfulness.

When that happens, the Isotopes will be left with 28-year-old Damaso Espino (.297/.338/.398) and… well, I don’t know. Perhaps Matt Wallach or long-lost Hector Gimenez moves up from AA Chattanooga, and that’s fine, but the argument could easily have been made that Closser (.297/.378/.486 with 10 homers and by all accounts excellent in the clubhouse) is superior to Navarro right now.

Let’s Indulge In a Fantasy About Juan Uribe Being Gone

The alternate title for this post was going to be “Things That Are Never F***ing Going to Happen”, but I thought that was a little on the nose. I almost didn’t even want to post it, because it’s just going to get hopes up… but what the hell. Let’s have some fun. We deserve it.

Giants beat writer Andrew Baggarly:

This information comes to me secondhand, but there’s talk among industry folks that the Dodgers and Giants have discussed a trade that would bring Juan Uribe back to San Francisco.

Uribe has been a bust with the Dodgers thus far, hitting .206 with four home runs in 214 at-bats after signing a three-year, $21 million contract. It’s worth remembering that the Giants were offering very similar numbers and willing to go to a third year before Uribe accepted the Dodgers’ take-it-or-leave-it contract.

Now, of course, the Dodgers are baseball’s biggest mess and owner/charlatan Frank McCourt might not be able to make payroll.

The Giants need an experienced second baseman with Freddy Sanchez’s health situation still up in the air. Although a determination will be made after a couple more weeks of rest and rehab, the Giants have to plan as if Sanchez won’t play again this season.

Mike Fontenot, a left-handed hitter, is coming back soon. But it doesn’t look as if management has much confidence in Bill Hall to form the right-handed portion of a platoon at second base.

Would Uribe be worth the $8 million he’s owed in 2012, and the $7 million he’ll get in 2013? Would the Dodgers defray some of the cost? All good questions. But I have to imagine the Dodgers aren’t in position to demand much in the way of talent in return.

It’s lovely to think about, isn’t it? Unfortunately, it’s not going to happen, friends. It’s just not, for about 20 different reasons. Still… a man can dream. A man can dream.

Update. So, that was quick.. not that this was ever going to happen anyway, but Baggarly has updated his post:

UPDATE: GM Brian Sabean just called up to the press box to shoot down this rumor. He told PR man Jim Moorehead to relay to me that he has not talked to Dodgers GM Ned Colletti in weeks. As I wrote, the information came through an indirect channel. I suspect the Dodgers likely were calling teams to shop Uribe, but that’s obviously much different than Colletti and Sabean talking about a deal. Anyway, all those cards are on the table.

Still, there’s something interesting hidden in there. Whether it’s the Giants or not, the idea that the Dodgers *could* be calling teams trying to dump Uribe would be a massive admission that signing him really was the mistake we all knew it was.

Dodgers Suffer Four Losses In One Day

Yes, the Dodgers lost 5-1 to the Cubs today in what was basically an absolute snoozefest of a day game. That’s not too much of a surprise, because this was a getaway day lineup that featured Aaron Miles, Russ Mitchell, Dioner Navarro, Jay Gibbons, Tony Gwynn, and half of Juan Uribe. Ted Lilly gave up three homers – and the man always gives up homers, as this was the 40th time in his career he allowed more than one in a game – and the offense was predictably punchless, getting just six hits. (Two of which came off the bat of Miles, who’s now hitting a respectable .260 but continues to be the definition of an “empty” average.) If there’s any bright side, it’s that the embattled bullpen managed to get through the final third of the game without allowing any further damage in their low-pressure innings; Hong-Chih Kuo, Mike MacDougal, and Vicente Padilla all contributed one scoreless inning.

But no one really cares about the AAA squad dropping a day game the day before a day off, right? Of course not. Everyone’s going to be talking about the other three losses the Dodgers suffered today:

Early this afternoon, Jonathan Broxton was shut down with elbow pain. As I joked on Twitter, it’s a very odd feeling to hope that your All-Star closer has a shredded elbow. We’ve all noted before that finding something physically wrong would actually be a very good thing, as it would at least allow

Just before the game, and after he was included in the originally announced lineup, Andre Ethier was removed with – you guessed it – elbow pain. By all indications, this isn’t serious, and if it’s bothering him it’s great to allow him two consecutive days off, paired with tomorrow’s off-day. But by removing Ethier and including Gwynn in his place, it really underscored the well-known issue that this is a team that revolves around Ethier and Matt Kemp. Half of the time, it’s not even enough to have them both in an producing while the rest of the team flounders. Without one in the lineup, the offense seems doomed before the first pitch.

But that wasn’t all – in the fourth inning, Juan Uribe was hit in the hand by a pitch. He stayed in the game for another inning, but then left in favor of Jamey Carroll, who originally had the day off. That’s the third injury for Uribe in just over a month, and his absense left an infield better seen on Arizona fields in March. No word yet on his severity.

Tomorrow’s an off day, but I’ve got something interesting to share with you. Be here.